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Youngstown, OH. The financial problems of the college were not of the Presidents making. The greatest hurdle faced by the children of the Church in this case is coming to terms with the fact this is even possible, which one can do by applying their intellect to the situation in the light of faith, at which point the picture will become clear: Those who cling to the clarity dispensed by the Church before the Council cannot possibly be on anything other than solid ground, while those who accept the conciliar compromises are at risk of losing the faith. Meaning the official constitutions and public documents between Rome & the FSSP. Can we just let Michael Voris get on with his shtick? There is no other way for mankind to have been saved and redeemed except through the sacrificial offering of God Himself, totally innocent and obedient, to God the Father. Tyler, TX Dayton, OH dear salvemur, Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. Member of the traditionalist Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter. It helps me, anyway. Rather, a home is ultimately an interaction between personalities that are supposed to be loving each other spouses, parents, children, siblings, grandparents. And to do it using the lame excuse that one is trying to speak the truth and warn others is to be blind to ones true motives. I applaud that. Full communion is a VC2 heresy. Just because theyre traditional in teaching and praxis doesnt mean theyll always be prudent in every respect. Terra as hes still not quite 100% in his health. Voris has so applied his intellect. Post Falls, ID I will not take it any further than that here, with respect to Louies request to engage in sedevacantist disussions at length not here, but in the forums. Tyler, TX Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. Since the fruits got worse and worse he understood that he needed to protect souls and to warn them about the dangers to their Faith. But the combox is just getting too much. I hope all you FSSP faithful and supporters remember this when you are putting the envelope in the basket on Sunday. Join Fr. It was not accepted due to faulty translations. At one time, I am certain that Michael Voris would likewise refuse to sign such a statement. Incomplete, because it does not take sufficiently into account the living character of Tradition, which, as the Second Vatican Council clearly taught, comes from the apostles and progresses in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit. Those who think this group is the anti-christ will not be moved from that position. For this reason Catholics must be wary of them. Inaccurately classified and Inaccuratley defined sorry to the average reader i got it wrong in my comment above thanks de maria for correcting me. The threats certainly have increased in intensity in recent years; even the lukewarm Christian can sense this and perhaps feels the need to join in the resistance and push back. In allowing myself and others to comment even though louie most probably disagrees with certain things (speaking for myself) shows that louie has great charity and isnt controlled by anyone. Saguto was removed for violating rules about not being alone with a minor apparently. Dear marian, Voris goes into yet another rant about the SSPX being in schism that is so lacking in plausibility that even Karl Keating took to his own blog to criticize it! At least warn Catholics who cross our path. This is a defense of the SSPX not an attack on FSSP or Father Wolfe, personally. This detraction and extreme lack of charity to say nothing about factual errors has got to be challenged. Dear DeMaria and my2cents, Heck, they dont even tell every person they meet to avoid the Novus Ordo! This is the depths to which mens minds can sink when they are not moored to the pursuit of truth. Chesapeake, VA Little Rock, AR Nothing is credible in the Church apart from Christ who lives in it with us; if we do not believe Christ is God, then we never believe in the truths that flow from that and have had tremendous impact on us the Holy Trinity, the Holy Eucharist, the Resurrection, the forgiveness of sins. God bless you. Voris- shmoriswho cares? For the person who knows that the Council is a grave danger to the faith, they have no problem advising against them allowing themselves (and their kids) to be formed in an FSSP parish since we have an obligation to engage those things that threaten to lead us away from the faith. Lexington, KY Priestly Fraternity of St, Peter (FSSP) poses a whole slew of ecclesiological, doctrinal and moral problems. Terry is a parishioner at Mater Dei parish, run by the FSSP, in Irving, TX. It cannot be said in correct, exact, and precise terms that there is a schism. There are disagreements (none of which involve Doctrine or Dogma it must be emphasized,) which can only be resolved by the Authority of One to Whom the Authority of the Keys has been given by virtue of lack of any impediment, IOW a reigning pontiff who is protected by the Holy Ghost from giving the faithful anything contrary to the Faith, even within the exercise of the Universal Ordinary Magisterium. Fulton Sheen coins Him, living in the Church that seeks to unite her members and remain the constant inspiration for our holiness and mutual forgiveness. Gerard Saguto, admits that further explanation regarding Fr. But we preach Christ and Him crucified. Voris, by contrast, runs every last word through a filter; avoiding anything that might conflict with more personal concerns; the likes of which well address a little later. Where are the readers of this blog who have had enough of this detraction and gossip? what does matter , though, is if they adhere to the teachings of the Church. Hope it may help someone to understand the complexity of it all. Ive never described myself as an expert on Vatican Council II, but Michael Voris has described me as such, on air, and even ribbed me in a good natured way saying We dont do false humility here when I resisted the idea. Its quite true that President King inherited a very bad financial situation. Sedevacantist bishops & priests interract with other Catholics, be they SSPX, those who are in diocesan life, etc. If I NEVER run into another one again I will consider myself blessed. IMHO what you point out is important. Christ asks His Apostles. You really need a better source, maybe someone who doesnt provide you with misinformation in order to slander a good and faithful priest. I think they wanted an experienced priest to help Fr. Loving father of Michael,Ginamarie Lutzky and Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP. I know that you ask in sincerity, Ive read you for some time & admire you. (1 Cor:23). Lincoln, NE The leadership of the FSSP and the Bishop of Father Paul Nicholson need to do their duty. The benefit and usefulness of suffering is evident in such instances, at least in hindsight. FSSP, Diocese of Providence Christine Rousselle is a former DC Correspondent for Catholic News Agency. That reality is irrelevant to the objective errors of the FSSP which are public. Berg, Superior General of the FSSP, to be the new District Superior of North America, effective July 13, 2015. 3rd group those that choose only to attend TLM except for funerals weddings etc. Sarasota, FL http://theradicalcatholic.blogspot.com/2015/09/vortex-of-plagiarism.html. His position hardened somewhat in his final years (during which, I might maintain, he probably still would have sprung for either the 2000 or 2012 structure deals offered to Fellay, based on what I know of them), but the fact is that he really did try to work obediently if it would be allowed, even to a papacy that was increasingly singing a modernist hymn. Perhaps, I should chose my words more carefully. Rapid City, SD But not so with you, you came forth to talk. Denton, NE (Seminary) I hope for the sake of the salvation of souls and the good of the Church that the whole story is known. I have spoken to/communicated with exactly two FSSP priests in my life. Adam and Eve tried to steal a glimpse of something they should not have, to put themselves in a position of control they could not have, and that is why faith was so insisted upon by our Lord throughout the Gospel. In one such frame, a building that houses a ladder company is on fire, and as the employees look out from a third story window, the caption has them wishing how they could find a way to climb down. Fort Myers, FL But, respectfully, I cannot agree that the FSSP has abandoned Christ through their current status. He took some time waiting to see the fruits of the Novus Ordo before he made firm judgements. The heartfelt acknowledgment of potential loss is a sure-fire way of checking contempt and correcting things. God bless you. Its as if Michael is under some kind of self-imposed gag order that prevents him from speaking on the problems with the Council and the New Mass; issues he used to address with great passion just a few short years ago. As for the suggestion that the SSPX simply left the Church by holding fast to the true faith, even as her aforementioned weak and corrupt leaders abandoned it, is idiotic even for him. Our Holy Faith often falls victim to being taken for granted. Keep up the great work. This is a good and reasonable rule for the protection of minors and avoiding issues (if . That photo credit is Fr. Dear de Maria, Ive recently come across many of his sermons online and found them to be quite useful. They do beleive a pope can be a formal herectic and maintain his postion as pope , the new mass is valid all priests are considered vailidy ordained and the bishops in the new rite are fine aswell. Sad. Which means that because these others dont beleive certain things it gets people start to say you shiuldnt believe this or that. But the new campus lease turned out not to be sustainable, either, just a reprieve in execution of sentence, and it is astonishing to me that he thought it could be otherwise. I give you credit. This is a very short description and in no way represents all the opinions of these groups listed. San Diego, CA And whatever Kings responsibility (or lack thereof) for that, you can hardly blame Olson of the Mater Dei priests for that state of affairs. Your rash judgement I hope is based on ignorance and not malice. It has been mine too, coming in from the opposite direction, if you will. Why all the differences in opinion here ??. God. This is a combox, we are commenters. The founding document of the FSSP contains lies and heresy. Liturgical Guides to the Seasons Dear piokolby, North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA. Many cant wait to give the high-five, and say Amen. I hope those responsible both cleric and lay alike are made to pay for what they did there. Dear grandfather of. The FSSP accepts the new mass and Vatican II. Richard M, (Both Voris and Marshall refer to JPII and John XXIII as saints - big red flag!). So let me go on record here by saying that I will gladly sit with Michael Voris on a live program to discuss specific reasons why no Catholic should ever be forced to sign off on Vatican II as an integral part of tradition.. VII & that which was borne of it, a Modernist Sect, is the problem. Vennari & I agree on (almost) nothing, obviouslybut I see that hes not gotten involved in this most recent Voris-shtick. http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/09/is-fsppx-going-to-celebrate-jubilee-of.html. However, over the last year and a half U.S. dioceses and religious orders serving most of the Catholics in the country have released lists of "credibly accused" abusers who have served in their ranks, using their own criteria for whom to include. The Missive Tags: Catholic Extraordinary Form, FSSP, Tridentine Mass With only a vague sense of her origins and history, and an anemic experience with the institutional aspect of the Church, many Catholics indeed tend to view the Church as a sum of commands and rules, imposing a morality that they find outdated or even impossible. Will the FSSP issue a public statement saying that Father Wolfe does not speak for the FSSP and his views are his own? Fort Worth, TX I understand the point you're trying to make when you state that people thought the same of the Great & Venerated Saint Who ate locusts & foretold the Coming of the Redeemer and they did. A cardinal such as Cardinal Burke should speak the truth no matter what the modernist destroyers want. FUNERAL HOMES. I am only asking this question in the hope that you can shed some light on this kind of behavior. I wouldnt be half surprised if he granted faculties to the Dali Lamma. Those of us who dont have a dog in the fight would rather read about something more important. As such, he looked upon the SSPX and its purpose for existing with, if not with support, a degree of understanding that is now nonexistent. Gerard Saguto, FSSP and Fr. This meant telling them to avoid the New Mass altogether and then he was horrified by the fruits of ecumenism. There is also, to borrow Voris words, an objective case of jurisdiction, and the legal/subjective case of jurisdiction. With Advent upon us, the evident threats posed from the secular world compel us all to make concerted efforts to keep Jesus as the reason for the season.. But they didnt. In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, "was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. My only point was the Church today is in a dire crisis and the antics of Mr. Voris are the least of our problems. Fall - Men's Recollection - The Holy Name Society will be sponsoring a Men's Morning of Recollection given by Fr. South Bend, IN Youre free to believe so if youd like, but I dont. http://iconicjesus.org/home/category/objections-to-divine-mercy-sunday/. May God reward you for all your kind generosity! I, too, had learned much from Fr. Qubec, QC Following the dedication, North American Superior Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, celebrated the first church's Mass, and Archbishop Gomez preached the first sermon, focusing on the God's call for the parish to "redeem that little part of the world we live in." Saguto, time for adoration and confessions, and a Rosary walk. This is what michael voris used to say There are so many dangers coming down the pike that I find it hard to believe this issue is taking up so much air time and energy. This is, however, a multi-edged sword. Gerard Saguto, FSSP. For once youre ranting, raving & complaining about something other than us evil sedevacantists! Father Saguto began serving as All Saints pastor in August 2018. (1) This is the price for full communion, There is no such thing as partial communion. If you are going to give official platforms to statements rejecting the validity of Vatican II and the Pauline Missal without any public correction or disavowal, you have to be prepared to take the ecclesiastical consequences, whether theyre just or not. Third Street - Evansville, IN 47708 Mass Time: 3rd Sun 9 am Phone number: (812) 422-5150 Priest: Fr Gene Vogler. Paul has been designing and carving ecclesiastical interiors for the past several years. Wolfes gem about things not coming into being by a legal declaration. The state police had executed a search warrant that day at the parish and arrested Father Jackson after determining that he was the owner of large amounts of child sex abuse material found on an external hard drive in an office area near his bedroom, an affidavit states. That constancy, Father Saguto said, is important in a world where constant change is the norm. It was also taken in response to related concerns that Father Saguto had failed to observe the safe environment protocols of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis for interaction with minors (e.g. At the top of the page under Photo Albums: Relics and Vist, November 2015 Visit and Vespers Oct. 26 - Nov. 1, 2015 marian I was there in the pew EVERY time. 2nd group those that attend TLM this can range from someone who may attend a weekday TLM or sunday TLM but who still likes to be involved with their local parish and who sees no problem with new mass. 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